Comments on: Read the Bible: Greek and Hebrew Reading Experiment http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/ Technology is Fast, but Redemption is Slow Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:32:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: John Dyer http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-9822 John Dyer Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:56:23 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-9822 Glad to hear it! Glad to hear it!

]]> By: Parker http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-9802 Parker Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:23:48 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-9802 Nevermind, got it Nevermind, got it

]]> By: Parker http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-9801 Parker Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:17:08 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-9801 John, quick question for you. Is there a way to enter a reference that spans from one chapter into the next, i.e. 1 John 1:1 - 2:2? I haven't been able to do it and it would be helpful when printing out certain passages. Love the site! Parker John, quick question for you. Is there a way to enter a reference that spans from one chapter into the next, i.e. 1 John 1:1 – 2:2? I haven’t been able to do it and it would be helpful when printing out certain passages.
Love the site!
Parker

]]> By: jack http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-9338 jack Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:35:12 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-9338 sorry, I just got back to check on my old comment! It looks like you have Textus Receptus - Stephens 1550, with variants of Scrivener 1894 on your your other site: http://biblewebapp.com/study/#ref=Romans%201:1|ver=el_tr,en_nasb I would love to have it in reader's version format! sorry, I just got back to check on my old comment! It looks like you have Textus Receptus – Stephens 1550, with variants of Scrivener 1894 on your your other site: http://biblewebapp.com/study/#ref=Romans%201:1|ver=el_tr,en_nasb
I would love to have it in reader’s version format!

]]> By: Mathieu Pelletier http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-9299 Mathieu Pelletier Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:05:44 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-9299 Hello John, Thanks so much for this! I teach Biblical Languages at a small theological college in Zimbabwe. Unfortunately, the computer tools that are available are beyond the reach of most our students due to costs. This web tool really helps to bridge the gap between the first world and the developing world. I really hop to see more of these types of tools available in the coming years. ~Cheers, Mathieu Pelletier Hello John,

Thanks so much for this! I teach Biblical Languages at a small theological college in Zimbabwe. Unfortunately, the computer tools that are available are beyond the reach of most our students due to costs. This web tool really helps to bridge the gap between the first world and the developing world. I really hop to see more of these types of tools available in the coming years.

~Cheers,

Mathieu Pelletier

]]> By: John Dyer http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-9112 John Dyer Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:51:44 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-9112 Glad you like it. I totally agree with your suggestions - that's exactly why I made it. Glad you like it. I totally agree with your suggestions – that’s exactly why I made it.

]]> By: H. Jim http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-9089 H. Jim Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:56:20 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-9089 This is an awesome idea. It allows the student to print up exactly the amount of help that you need at that point in time. Three suggestions to users of this interface seeking to improve their language skills: 1) Place the settings so that you are having to read just *beyond* your skill level. You've worked through an intro grammar that had you memorize words occuring 50+ times? Print up the text with words that are used less than 40 times. That way, you won't get rusty on your lexicon skills, and you'll get better and guessing at what a word means from context. 2) Having done this, write down and memorize all the words that you have to look up. Eventually, you'll have increased your vocabulary enough that you'll be able to decrease the number that you put into the "words used less than" field. If you follow these two pieces of advice long enough, eventually, you won't need anything but the Hebrew or Greek and a pocket lexicon! 3) Do *not* check the "show parsing" box. This is especially true if you have had two or more years of Heb/Grk. You should be parsing on your own, and having words parsed for you is, in my opinion, too much help. It is going to make you lazy and rusty on your verbal forms. Even for the obscure forms that you won't recognize right away--having them parsed for you will make you lazy and won't help you develop the skills to figure them out on your own. That's my experience, anyway. That's one reason why the Zondervan GNT is, imo, a better tool than the UBS Reader's GNT. This is an awesome idea. It allows the student to print up exactly the amount of help that you need at that point in time.
Three suggestions to users of this interface seeking to improve their language skills:
1) Place the settings so that you are having to read just *beyond* your skill level. You’ve worked through an intro grammar that had you memorize words occuring 50+ times? Print up the text with words that are used less than 40 times. That way, you won’t get rusty on your lexicon skills, and you’ll get better and guessing at what a word means from context.
2) Having done this, write down and memorize all the words that you have to look up. Eventually, you’ll have increased your vocabulary enough that you’ll be able to decrease the number that you put into the “words used less than” field.
If you follow these two pieces of advice long enough, eventually, you won’t need anything but the Hebrew or Greek and a pocket lexicon!
3) Do *not* check the “show parsing” box. This is especially true if you have had two or more years of Heb/Grk. You should be parsing on your own, and having words parsed for you is, in my opinion, too much help. It is going to make you lazy and rusty on your verbal forms. Even for the obscure forms that you won’t recognize right away–having them parsed for you will make you lazy and won’t help you develop the skills to figure them out on your own. That’s my experience, anyway. That’s one reason why the Zondervan GNT is, imo, a better tool than the UBS Reader’s GNT.

]]> By: Isaac Hanna http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-8965 Isaac Hanna Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:11:14 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-8965 I love your site and use it a lot. I thought I'd let you know if I found any errors in the program and I ran across one just now - in 1 Kings 13:2 the word עָלֶיךָ is identified and parsed incorrectly in the pop up - thanks again - Is this the proper place to submit corrections or should I do it somewhere else? Feel free to email me with the info - thanks - isaac.hanna07@northwestu.edu I love your site and use it a lot. I thought I’d let you know if I found any errors in the program and I ran across one just now – in 1 Kings 13:2 the word עָלֶיךָ is identified and parsed incorrectly in the pop up – thanks again – Is this the proper place to submit corrections or should I do it somewhere else? Feel free to email me with the info – thanks – isaac.hanna07@northwestu.edu

]]> By: Mark Heath http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-8494 Mark Heath Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:04:58 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-8494 only just came across this today. brilliant! this will be an excellent resource for me as I am trying to take my very basic Greek skills to the next level. only just came across this today. brilliant! this will be an excellent resource for me as I am trying to take my very basic Greek skills to the next level.

]]> By: Alex H http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/04/read-the-bible-greek-and-hebrew-reading-experiment/#comment-8297 Alex H Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:57:56 +0000 4ab49e86-2d0e-4947-94b8-955ef12f80f2#comment-8297 I'd like to say thank you for this wonderful site. I love the Reader's Hebrew/Greek Bibles from Zondervan, and I will continue to use them, but this site has everything you need and is adaptable to fit the students needs. Great job! I don't know how much time you have to devote to this project, but I have some suggestions: 1) Instead of having the definitions at the bottom of the page, how about having an option to display them on the right side of the text? Kind of like that site that you link to: http://biblewebapp.com/study/ That way, one doesn't have to scroll down to read a definition. Of course, having them on the bottom is great if one wants to print out the page, so you should keep that feature also. 2) I second the motion that you add a Septuagint version, even if it can't be as adaptable as the Greek and Hebrew you already have. Here is some info on the LXX frequency word list: http://faculty.bbc.edu/rdecker/lxx.htm I’d like to say thank you for this wonderful site.

I love the Reader’s Hebrew/Greek Bibles from Zondervan, and I will continue to use them, but this site has everything you need and is adaptable to fit the students needs. Great job!

I don’t know how much time you have to devote to this project, but I have some suggestions:

1) Instead of having the definitions at the bottom of the page, how about having an option to display them on the right side of the text? Kind of like that site that you link to: http://biblewebapp.com/study/
That way, one doesn’t have to scroll down to read a definition. Of course, having them on the bottom is great if one wants to print out the page, so you should keep that feature also.

2) I second the motion that you add a Septuagint version, even if it can’t be as adaptable as the Greek and Hebrew you already have. Here is some info on the LXX frequency word list: http://faculty.bbc.edu/rdecker/lxx.htm

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