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	<title>Comments on: Have You Ever Wished You Had an &#8220;I Give Online&#8221; Token?</title>
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	<description>Technology is Fast, but Redemption is Slow</description>
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		<title>By: myTithe &#8211; Simple and Easy Mobile Online Giving &#124; Church Mag</title>
		<link>http://donteatthefruit.com/2010/01/have-you-ever-wished-you-had-a-i-give-online-token/#comment-36733</link>
		<dc:creator>myTithe &#8211; Simple and Easy Mobile Online Giving &#124; Church Mag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 22:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dyer has brought up a number of great questions and dialogue to consider with online giving in general: The point isn’t that there is a problem with online [...]</description>
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		<title>By: myTithe &#8211; Simple and Easy Mobile Online Giving &#124; ChurchDrop</title>
		<link>http://donteatthefruit.com/2010/01/have-you-ever-wished-you-had-a-i-give-online-token/#comment-9308</link>
		<dc:creator>myTithe &#8211; Simple and Easy Mobile Online Giving &#124; ChurchDrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the setup.What do you guys think?Theological Questions Still Remain:John Dyer has brought up a number of great questions and dialogue to consider with online giving in general:The point isn’t that there is a problem with online [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the setup.What do you guys think?Theological Questions Still Remain:John Dyer has brought up a number of great questions and dialogue to consider with online giving in general:The point isn’t that there is a problem with online [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Beyer</title>
		<link>http://donteatthefruit.com/2010/01/have-you-ever-wished-you-had-a-i-give-online-token/#comment-8474</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We actually have just such a token. It&#039;s a little laminated card that we put in all the seat backs along with prayer request cards that EFT donors can drop in the plate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We actually have just such a token. It&#8217;s a little laminated card that we put in all the seat backs along with prayer request cards that EFT donors can drop in the plate.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dyer</title>
		<link>http://donteatthefruit.com/2010/01/have-you-ever-wished-you-had-a-i-give-online-token/#comment-8450</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing that. Great illustration.</description>
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		<title>By: John Dyer</title>
		<link>http://donteatthefruit.com/2010/01/have-you-ever-wished-you-had-a-i-give-online-token/#comment-8446</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I appreciate your more complete list of questions. And I agree that the &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; is definitely related to the heart not the system. My main argument is that technology has a set of values of its own which our hearts can blindly assume if we are not thoughtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I appreciate your more complete list of questions. And I agree that the <em>how</em> is definitely related to the heart not the system. My main argument is that technology has a set of values of its own which our hearts can blindly assume if we are not thoughtful.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dyer</title>
		<link>http://donteatthefruit.com/2010/01/have-you-ever-wished-you-had-a-i-give-online-token/#comment-8445</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing these additional examples Josh!</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff. For me the classic example is in a Eugene Peterson book (Unpredictable plant?) where the tells the story of how a church purchased a folding machine for the bulletins. Then the group of ladies who got together to fold the bulletins stops meeting. What that really an improvement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff. For me the classic example is in a Eugene Peterson book (Unpredictable plant?) where the tells the story of how a church purchased a folding machine for the bulletins. Then the group of ladies who got together to fold the bulletins stops meeting. What that really an improvement?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://donteatthefruit.com/2010/01/have-you-ever-wished-you-had-a-i-give-online-token/#comment-8428</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been a good conversation. Like you said, John, we have to balance a bunch of different values here. We have to weigh out which we think is most important. And in the end, it may be a matter of personal conviction, not right and wrong. 

Questions that come to my mind include, How important is it to give regularly? Does giving regularly mean I&#039;m giving faithfully? Is it important that I have a sense or feeling of sacrifice when I give? If so, how will I feel that sacrifice most deeply? (Adam Shields suggests cash, which is probably right. But why not a physical object that you&#039;ve purchased with that money? Money is merely representative.) Is it important to be seen or unseen in your giving? Will you be setting an example or puffing up your pride? What is the purpose of giving? Is it to support the church? Is it to discipline myself and prioritize God&#039;s purposes above my own? 

All these questions need to be worked out by each giver as they decide how to give. That can be a lot of work and full of confusion and even uncertainty. Paul keeps it simple, which I appreciate, &quot;God loves a cheerful giver.&quot; Paul seems concerned with the how of our hearts, not the practice of our payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a good conversation. Like you said, John, we have to balance a bunch of different values here. We have to weigh out which we think is most important. And in the end, it may be a matter of personal conviction, not right and wrong. </p>
<p>Questions that come to my mind include, How important is it to give regularly? Does giving regularly mean I&#8217;m giving faithfully? Is it important that I have a sense or feeling of sacrifice when I give? If so, how will I feel that sacrifice most deeply? (Adam Shields suggests cash, which is probably right. But why not a physical object that you&#8217;ve purchased with that money? Money is merely representative.) Is it important to be seen or unseen in your giving? Will you be setting an example or puffing up your pride? What is the purpose of giving? Is it to support the church? Is it to discipline myself and prioritize God&#8217;s purposes above my own? </p>
<p>All these questions need to be worked out by each giver as they decide how to give. That can be a lot of work and full of confusion and even uncertainty. Paul keeps it simple, which I appreciate, &#8220;God loves a cheerful giver.&#8221; Paul seems concerned with the how of our hearts, not the practice of our payment.</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD - you continue to bless the blogosphere with your penetrating questions and insights. you are truly a gifted thinker. thank you for sharing and challenging us, but always with grace. there is freedom in this issue, as you have noted repeatedly, but that freedom does not abdicate our responsibility to be intentionally obedient, regardless of the medium.

forgive the long reply, but I have several anecdotes for consideration:

1) while in Mozambique a few years back, I worshipped with a local church. the offering time was one of the most worshipful, jubilant elements of the entire service. they placed a box up front, began playing wildly joyful music, and then commenced with clapping and dancing as everyone formed a single line and worked their way forward to place their gift in the box. it was stunning. these brothers and sisters could not wait to give back to their Lord.

2) periodically I have the privilege of leading worship at my church. one Sunday, we skipped the passing of the plates and simply placed offering baskets at the entrance/exits, and noted this in the bulletin. we received the same amount of giving that Sunday as any other, and it forced people out of the ordinary to &quot;experience&quot; giving.

3) there is now a Haiti relief fund on the dts.edu site. my wife and I wanted a way to participate tangibly, and quickly. we were able to do so by giving online. this brought us great joy, and we were so grateful that dts made the concerted effort to provide this chance.

4) @ jennifer - we are with you. we have consciously chosen to send checks (or manually deduct drafts) from our accounts each month as a visible and physical reminder to pray for those we support. same as with our church giving. I am such a pathetic prayer &quot;warrior&quot; that unless I have a rhythm, I will fail to pray for them. it&#039;s something that helps keep me faithful.

this area is dear to my heart. thanks for raising our awareness, John. If Christ is who he says he is, and he did what the Bible said he did, then he deserves no less than my very life...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD &#8211; you continue to bless the blogosphere with your penetrating questions and insights. you are truly a gifted thinker. thank you for sharing and challenging us, but always with grace. there is freedom in this issue, as you have noted repeatedly, but that freedom does not abdicate our responsibility to be intentionally obedient, regardless of the medium.</p>
<p>forgive the long reply, but I have several anecdotes for consideration:</p>
<p>1) while in Mozambique a few years back, I worshipped with a local church. the offering time was one of the most worshipful, jubilant elements of the entire service. they placed a box up front, began playing wildly joyful music, and then commenced with clapping and dancing as everyone formed a single line and worked their way forward to place their gift in the box. it was stunning. these brothers and sisters could not wait to give back to their Lord.</p>
<p>2) periodically I have the privilege of leading worship at my church. one Sunday, we skipped the passing of the plates and simply placed offering baskets at the entrance/exits, and noted this in the bulletin. we received the same amount of giving that Sunday as any other, and it forced people out of the ordinary to &#8220;experience&#8221; giving.</p>
<p>3) there is now a Haiti relief fund on the dts.edu site. my wife and I wanted a way to participate tangibly, and quickly. we were able to do so by giving online. this brought us great joy, and we were so grateful that dts made the concerted effort to provide this chance.</p>
<p>4) @ jennifer &#8211; we are with you. we have consciously chosen to send checks (or manually deduct drafts) from our accounts each month as a visible and physical reminder to pray for those we support. same as with our church giving. I am such a pathetic prayer &#8220;warrior&#8221; that unless I have a rhythm, I will fail to pray for them. it&#8217;s something that helps keep me faithful.</p>
<p>this area is dear to my heart. thanks for raising our awareness, John. If Christ is who he says he is, and he did what the Bible said he did, then he deserves no less than my very life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dean craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>dean craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe as the culture in the church changes, NOT putting something in the place will mean that you have already given on-line. :)

@john - it sound to me like it is better for you to give electronically for another good reason... you don&#039;t get the pleasure of people seeing you do it.

at our church we do not pass the plate - and we do it for many of these reasons, and our on-line giving is now approaching 30% of our total.  with our system you get an email every time your weekly giving happens, and it includes a link that lets you change the amount yourself, on-line, without having to tell anyone you are doing it.

for me it&#039;s a much more committed &quot;act of worship&quot; to schedule a regular cycle of giving - it means that i don&#039;t care how impressed with the speaker or the music i am that week, my gift is already on the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe as the culture in the church changes, NOT putting something in the place will mean that you have already given on-line. :)</p>
<p>@john &#8211; it sound to me like it is better for you to give electronically for another good reason&#8230; you don&#8217;t get the pleasure of people seeing you do it.</p>
<p>at our church we do not pass the plate &#8211; and we do it for many of these reasons, and our on-line giving is now approaching 30% of our total.  with our system you get an email every time your weekly giving happens, and it includes a link that lets you change the amount yourself, on-line, without having to tell anyone you are doing it.</p>
<p>for me it&#8217;s a much more committed &#8220;act of worship&#8221; to schedule a regular cycle of giving &#8211; it means that i don&#8217;t care how impressed with the speaker or the music i am that week, my gift is already on the way.</p>
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